igasugustel golfidel ja põrnikatel on klubid-isegi sierradel vist.äkki peaks mingi inglise autode klubi ka tegema -kui kellelgi omal pole plaanis siis ma võtaks asja ette.ootan ettepanekuid ja nõuandeid!!
Mina kandideeriks kohe liikmeks. Nõu ei oska eriti anda, kuna ei tunne interneti hingeelu nii hästi :)
Enamus klubisid kasutab väga sarnase ülesehitusega, kuidas nüüd öeldagi, tausta või alust või mis iganes, kus on standartsete teemadena klubiliikmete autode omanike kirjeldus oma sõiduki kohta, tehniliste teemade arutelu, ostu-müügi osa, tavaliselt ka vaba teema, eri mudelite kohta oma rubriigid jne.
Jaguari ajaloo ja vanemate mudelite kohta on ka üks eestikeelne kodulehekülg muidu olemas. Võiks selle loojaga kontakteeruda, tal ongi tegelikult lehekülje areng kuidagi seisma jäänud, sinna võiks mingi foorumilaadse külge pookida ja uuemate mudelite kirjelduse ka.
Näiteks.
nu eks hakkan siis nikerdama.kui muidugi keegi teab mingeid selliseid lehti kus Jagedest ja muudest inglastest (eesti omi)juttu siis saatke lehe aadress ka.
Praegu juba tehakse üks foorum, millest lähiajal kasvab jaguar klubi, millega tegeleb üks inglise jaguar fänn. Umbes kevadel-suvel tuleb läbi Eestit jaguar xk sõit. Ka muud jaguarid võivad osaleda selles sõidus.
olkir4223@hot.ee
Äkki sõnastad oma mõtte täpsemini, ei saa erit aru, mida viimati öelda tahtsid.
Mis selle mittetulundusühingu eesmärk on, aidata noortel jaguaristidel soodsamini juppe hankida või kõlblust parendada?
seda kõike võibolla ka aga kuna ma ise olen 2 spordiklubi omanik siis on ülimalt selge et mingiklubi jne ei saa existeerida ilma et ta ka kusagil kirjas oleks.muidu teeks ju lihtsalt mingi koduka --paneks paar Jaagu pilt ja ütleks et ongi klubi.sams kuu aja pärast teeb keegi veel ja ütleb et hoopis tal on klubi.aga üldiselt ikkagi plaanis et oleks koht kus oleksid Jaaguari fännidel foorumid -ostud-müügid-varuosad-uudised-kokkutulekud-jne.
Ma siiski usun, et alustada on mõtet mingi foorumilaadsega. Minule isiklikult on selle foorumiosa põhjal jäänud mulje, et üks jaguari omanik väga aktiivne suhtleja ei ole ja ennustan sulle algul ikka väga passiivset huvi. See on küll tingitud pigem sellest, et tõeline asjatundja ning III seeria omanik veedab oma aja garaažis ja uuema põlvkonna omanikud rügavad raha teenida ja selle kõrval netis käia ei jõua :)
Kui ajapikku kõik kassiomanikud klubi üles on leidnud, siis võib kõik koondunud klubisse liita.
Oleg võiks täpsustada, mis foorumist ta õieti rääkis, kui mingi inglane mängus on, siis see asub kusagil väljaspool Eesti serverid ja on mingis võõras keeles ka. Vastasel korral aga pole vist topeltfoorumil erilist mõtet?
See inglane kes tehab teha foorumit ei ela inglismaal. Ta käib tihti eestis, ja tal plaanis on siia elama kolida. Tahab siin teha jaguar klubi. Milline selle klubi eesmärk saame teada hiljem. Varuosi ikka saab odavalt kui siin eestis. Ta veel tegeleb võistlemisega jaguaridel. Tal on oma xj 40 tuunitud ja kõik korda tehtud, et võistlustel käia. Kui saan teada rohkem kirjutan siia kohe.
praegu siis plaan selline et hakkan siiski tegelema asjaga -kui juba on tulemust siis panen siia aadressi üles ja kui keegi teeb parema või midagi sellist siis andku minna.aga mis selle Inglise härreesmärk ikka olla saab-pappi selle asjaga ju ei teeni.eks ikka asjast huvitatute koondamine-keegi tahab nõu küsida siis küsib-keegi tahab oma kaslase pildid üles panna -paneb.ja keegi tahab et tal õue peal 50 jaaguariomanikku õlut trimpab siis kutsub kokku jne.
Klubilist tegevust võiks arendada küll ja põhirõhk tuleks (vähemalt esialgu) panna netile. See foorum siin näitab ju päris hästi ära inimeste vajadused ja valmisoleku tegutseda.
Kuivõrd meid on suht vähe ja autodki erinevad seinast-seina, pole vist eriti reaalne regulaarselt füüsiliselt kokku saada. Võibolla korra suvel teeks mingi suurema kokkusaamise ja ega siiski pole kõigil võimalik tulla.
Kui Sa, kassiomanik, asjaajamise enda peale võtad - väga hea. Kui päris luust ja lihast inglane siia jagekultuuri tuleb edendama - kah tore! Mina olen poolt.
tarvi@prn.ee
Tegelikult käib ju Tallinnas päris tihe klubiline tegevus. Autod, jupid on omanikku vahetanud, neid on ka kõvasti maale toodud. Autosid on ka ehitatud, rajal ja üritustel käidud. Ja niipalju kui mina tean, tunnevad teineteist pea kõik kes natuke rohkem asjaga tegelevad. Foorumi peale on tegelikult ka varem mõeldud kuid asi on jäänud nagu ta on... Minu huvipuudus foorumi vastu on ka tingitud it alasest tööst- vabal ajal lendab arvuti lihtsalt nurka :)
Stihl, kelle garaaz ka mõnele siinkirjutajatele tuttav, võtab sõna automoto.ee foorumis. Jüri tegemistega ollakse kindlasti kursis.
Aga jah, selline tihedam suhtlemine käib enne XJ40 aega valmistatud autode omanike seas. Uuemad ikka rohkem lihtsalt tarbeautod, mitte, et nende vastu midagi oleks, luuran neid ise ka vaikselt igapäevasõidukiks ja lähen lähipäevil just kaasa ühe vanade jagide omanikuga X300-t ostma.
Sellele vaidleks vastu, et Jaguari omanikud aktiivsed suhtlejad pole, pigem ikka marsitakse teineteisele külla jms. Lihtsalt ei istuta ööd- päevadläbi netis. Aga selle vaba ajaga jah.. kipub paljudel kehvasti olema.
Selle foorumi idee vastu ühesõnaga pole ilmselt kellelgi midagi ja kui sellest mingi mõttetu läbukoht ei saa, olen minagi kahe käega poolt ja arvan, et ka nii mõnigi veel kes jagidega tegeleb.
Just väljaspool Tallinnat pesitsevatele on see väga kasulik.
Ja veel, võibolla ainult minu tobedus, aga eelistaksin kinnist ning ainult registreerimisega ligipääsetavat foorumit.
tervist, oleks vaja abi :) nõu nn anda :) hetkel endal 750iLA 1992 aastast, on olemas ostja, aga midagi asemele peale Jaguar JX40 4.0 R6 endale ei leidnud, pakutakse 1993a. auto, 200k km sõitnud, Saksast, avariivaba 100% (ise tegelen autodega)... küsimus, see on arusaadav, et auto ei saa olla 100% heas seisukorras, aga küsimus, kus teie klubilised ostate varuosi? vaatasin oma Koivunenis ei leidnud seal mitte midagi Jagile :( ei leidnud ka foorumis vastust, äkki ei märganud, andke link palun... väga :) otsustusega suht kiire :)
WESTLAND ikka see õige koht juppe tellida.Mina sain oma jaole jupid tellitud ja hind oli OK.Kui keegi tahab konkreetsemalt teada siis esindusega tuli hinnavahe ca 3 korda!! ja esindus ei garanteeri et üldse õiged jupid on.nende andmebaas andis samale mudelile 12 eri varianti piduriklotse!!!!!teh passi alusel kusjuures!
;)))
Tegelikult , nii vana auto puhul , nagu sinul on , VIN kood ei aita . B-kategooria kataloogid pakuvad tooded vastavalt mootori töömahule , keta läbimõõdule jne jne .
Originaalprogramm , tõesti , annab mitu erinevad osanumbrid .
Kuid proovi uuele Jagule midagi tellida ! :)
P.S. Usun , et Hart pakkus mitteoriginaalosad Inglismaalt !
Sorry for the English language only btw, I don't speak Estonian.
I like your country very much, but 5 languages is already tough, and Ida Virumaa is another language again.
If anyone wants to help me translate the club web site into Estonian, please mail me.
Also the moderator decided to BAN my posts here for some reason (!!!) maybe he wld like to explain in English why???
We make a colour magazine this Autumn and will also have a nice Barbecue this summer with Latvian and Finnish clubs in July @ Chudskoe ozero (if weather is OK).
Also end of August is 30th birthday FINNISH club in Lapland. Mail for details, all welcome!
To GT
Lets try to make these things clear step-by-step.
It is great that You know 5 languages and like Estonia, really it is.
The moderators (me allso) banned Your posts because buying and selling in this forum is not allowed. Allso advertising in the forum is not allowed.
And getting to the question that 700 000 people are speaking their own language in their own country .... You REALLY dont want to go there.
Havent You heard the very old and ery wise saying: "When in Rome ..."
Hope this clarified a bit.
Good luck with the Jag Club.
Toetaksin üritust igati. Esialgu annaks alamdomaini ja töötava lehe. Kui asja vastu huvi siis pole probleemi asja omale domainile viia.
Eest vedajad visake kontakti. Info@Aosfex.org
THIS IS AN ADVERT-I SELL ESTONIA ----so you should ban this post ))))
Well, I will say something very controversial which has nothing to do with Jaguars.
Your country's FIXATION with trying to save Estonian language is diverting serious resources which should be used for other things.
I have sympathy with minority languages and yours is spoken by only 55% for historic reasons, which we all know and understand.
We indeed want to preserve it,- but this is NOT the way!!
I guess you have little say in how the EEKs are spent up there in Tallinn, but let's hope someone in Tallinn reads this one....
There is a clause in the European convention on respecting language and cultural diversity.
Your country does NOT respect this, and there are numerous anomalies in the treatment given to different minorities in the Baltic states, quite apart from the lunatic situation for visas for native Russians to travel freely throughout Eastern Europe..
I'm perfectly placed to know this, having dealt with the most disgraceful consulate you have in Moscow, - well known for being the most stupid and corrupt, as well as the most unpleasant anywhere I have ever seen.
I personally come from a country with a minority langauge and it's at least 500 years older than yours.
We also fight and restore a historic (celtic) language, but not by using the methods used in the Baltic states,
(then forcing our young people to seek work in the UK or Ireland, because we gave them no employment apart from laundering dirty Russian money in the banks like in Riga.....YES, the Latvian economy would collapse tomorrow if this activity doesn't continue..)
Concentrating on past battles, such as forcing russian minority kids to learn Estonian, means a whole generation of youngsters don't learn a FAR more important language ENGLISH!!!
In Wales see the old enemy differently, get the investment and beat them at their own game...Did you know the Jaguar V8 engine is NOT made in England,- it's made in Wales!
Only English will guarantee a future, and will bring investment into Eastern Europe.
Poland and Latvia find this out the hard way.....
We have nearly the equivalent in numbers of the entire Estonian speaking population moved to England in the last 18 months to look for work-
!! sounds great doesn't it,- 350 000 Polish young people alone, those that cost the most to educate over the years, take the country's future with them.....and they won't go back!!
....Meanwhile your government runs a huge budget deficit which means you can't be in the EURO until at least 2009 now, it votes thru the failed EU constitution which no-one wants, thinks it creates work by encouraging and illegally subsidising Easyjet to bring in 50% more tourists... to force the prices of property in Tallinn to double in 18 months through speculation.....funny world eh?
And you ban my posts on your forum, without a word of "WELCOME" maybe, and here are the rules????!!!
If we had done what you do now, we have the same problems you have and are all experimented with for years in Northern and Southern Ireland.
Everyone now runs to Ireland to look for the next miracle...
I am creating work and employment in your country, no-one comes along and says "great"
NO, they all say what the f..ck you doing here!!!
Learn Estonian!
I'm not impressed, this started with the consulate, the police who have their quota of fines to collect, the criminality and vandalism in the streets (had my car smashed up 3 times in the Baltic states)- none are there to help foreigners work here.
If you choose to spit on job creation, that's your choice, but it won't change my opinions (it's why I moved here), that,-
1/ Estonia has a very bright future, and has a young highly skilled population, with an excellent education and health system.
2/ Russian is the language of the future in most of the Baltic because of the sheer colossal wealth being created in Russia just now, and because it's the only language spoken by all.
Estonia must cash in and sell to Russia, & it, like other Baltic states already buys massively from Ukraine!
This is a VERY lucky situation, not the reverse,- English language use is simply not viable,- just try to speak to a policeman anywhere in the Baltic!!!
All Baltic republics fail here (NO ENGLISH!). The stupidity and bad behaviour of customs and immigration is past belief for an EU country where freedom of movement is guaranteed by EU charter!
(Last weekend we spent ONE HOUR waiting at the border with 2 cars while some LAMER customs guy without any explanation rang Interpol!!!
4 days later a policeman asks me to move my Jaguar cos it's parked on the grass,- he has 2 words of English!)
3/ Russia is massively creating employment, and Europe is not, because it is in decline both in manufacturing and agriculture, & dependent on Russian energy;-
you see those oil trains coming from Narva into Tallinn every day?? I do.
Esti gas- it's part owned by Gazprom....
Europe cannot compete for energy diversity, it's a non starter.
4/ Estonia cannot create employment and wealth by relying on Finland or traditional industries in irreversible decline, or with ridiculous tax burdens.
It must educate it's young or lose them to emigration.
Europe will never bring you this future,- it's a dream!
VW open a new factory in Russia yesterday,- did you see the words "Baltic" anywhere?
The EU already treats you all as second class Europeans, and the border begins in Frankfurt an der Oder.
This gap is widening not the reverse, and the latest "terrorist" paranoia legislation forced thru the Eu parliament by our stupid lying Prime minister Blair, has put back Eu border opening by decades.....
I'm quite well placed to know this , have worked for years in the automotive industry in France, Germany and in motor racing in the UK inc F1.
The hopeless employment situation is why France has riots and street fights, Germany has a depressed economy,
and the UK I use your words....
"You REALLY dont want to go there."
& Good luck with "Welcome to Estonia"..
Finally:-
3/ You are wrong to discourage debate, and for goodness sakes translate your forum rules into English, I might even be able to read them!!!
Hope you like the post and it doesn't bore your jag enthusiasts here - and YES I do like Estonia-
THE BEST COUNTRY IN EASTERN EUROPE,- just a shame no mountains for skiing!
I try to answer in (estonian-american)English and make it short - this is not political forum.
this was piece of writing! impressive!
but it seems you learned about our country from Moscow, Ida-Virumaa, customs & police. only thing i can say: bad luck!
there is little difference between Wales (which i respect very much) and Estonia in terms of minoryties. let me remember you: Russia occupied Estonia last time only 61 years ago and colonized it almost 50 years, actively destroying everything estonian, using genocide, bringing in russian colonisators etc., etc. for example your loved Ida-Viruma has totally cleaned up of locals: 95% population was changed for russian-speakers.
so it's quite uneasy to be such forgiving in here. i think estonians have been unexped polite and tolerable to them indeed.
in terms of economy and future of Europe, it seems you represent here some weird mix of scepticism, cosmopolitanism and official political thought of Moscow.
as i already said this is not political or economical forum so i shall not chat more on those matters.
I make last off topic post,- we must start another thread! it's very interesting!
You forget some important details, - not easy to digest or forget it's true.
Estonia was occupied for 4 years by the Germans who efficiently emptied it of ethnic jews and all others they disliked, - your country fought mostly on their side!
The Germans then destroyed all they could in Ida Virumaa and left nothing standing at all, closely followed by the Red Army...
Most of those towns had 2/3 houses standing and the mass graveyards are literally everywhere!
Russia was then given carte blanche by Roosevelt and Churchill to do EXACTLY what they wanted with most of Europe up to Brandenburg gate, so they did just that.......
It was largely OUR fault in the west, but we left you all to those career zombies, running the next 5 year plan, and the same cranky band of semi-competent technocrats who still run most Eastern European countries ,-
....but now under a lable of being good Europeans now,-yesterday they were in Stasi!
Today I wonder,- damn-it even Putin is KGB!
NO COMMENT!
As a result, - far from echoing second hand opinions....
Your entire country's infrastructure was then rebuilt by the Russians you so despise, in 1945-50 - HUGE INVESTMENT unthinkable today, - hospitals, schools, railways, oil-shale mines, steel companies, and by lots of German prisoners of war. (who incidentally built the house I live in!)
Look at the next drain cover in Tallinn,-it's GOST No.....x y z
It's true the Russians made a real big pigsty (place where pigs live-but radioactive ones) in Sillamae by building their first atomic warheads there, then leaving a weapons base inTartu+leaving half finished buildings everywhere inc in Johvi, but then..
....when the Estonians can make their own smooth roads-not financed by the EU, subsidise their own farms (same problem), rebuild Narva station instead of letting it fall down, and sell their own products instead of subcontracting IT to Finland on the cheap, or buying food from Ukraine, perhaps we can talk about COMPETENT government and managment...
As far as for me, real life is about real things and real events,- customs and immigration who are rude, stupid and plain obstructive to EU citizens, your consulates who are total s ....t, and refuse to issue visas to rich Russians wanting nowadays to service their Jaguars, Ferraris or Lamborghinis in Estonia, when any schengen consulate will do it the same morning.....FOR FREE!
but look on the positive side......great people I meet every day in a friendly place, with brilliant atmosphere.
As for Wales and Scotland, yep, great places too, but they (THE ENGLISH) were first class colonisers,-and far worse than the Russians when in Scotland (you forget they cleared the highlands in 1750 and confiscated all the best land....Scotland alone lost about 200 000 like Rwanda in those old time killing fields. ) "Braveheart" the film was peanuts compared to the real thing..
During the 60s and 70s i the tilme our motor industry was turning out the E type and Healeys you so admire, we had a huge job just to get English road signs removed and Welsh ones put there, & until 1980 Westminster refused even to allow a Welsh language TV channel .
(They still think Welsh is a "dialect" in London spoken by stupid backward people), Margaret Thatcher ,- she got kicked out for thinking the EU is a place to use and abuse so old habits die hard.
Are you bored now? It's the same reasons,- past battles, past stuff.
Let's move on.....Estonians ,Finnish, Swedish at the top of international rallies, winter sports, IT right?
2008. aastal on entusiastidel plaanis jaanipäeval koguneda lõuna eestis. Konkreetsemalt edastame info veidi aja pärast. Samas on juba mitu tõsihingelist jaguari entusiasti oma jah sõna juba andnud.
Kuna meie vanatehnika klubis on mitmeid Jaguari omanikke/austajaid iis treisin Jaaguari teemalise foorumijupi valmis, kui meeldib võite kasutama hakata, - www.tamgarage.com/foorum
Kui teha klubi, siis kumb nimi oleks sobivam kas Jaguar Club või Jaguari klubi, Jaaguari Klubi?
Samamoodi siis webiaadressid jaguarclub.ee ja jaguariklubi.ee või siis jaaguariklubi.ee
Kuidas edenevad Jaguari klubi loomise plaanid? Tegemist ikkagi omaette klassikutega, millel peaks kindlasti oma klubi olema. Oman Jaguar XJS ja oleks väga huvitatud klubiga liitumisest.
Klubi tegemise loa oleme saanud Inchcapest ning teeme klubi ära lähema nädala jooksul. Kohe, kui oleme saanud klubi valmis ja kodulehe ning foorumi anname siin ka sellest teada.
Väga meeldiv on kuulda, et siiani on klubi loomisest ja loodetavasti liitumisest huvitujaid.
Inchcapega on juba ammu räägitud ja klubi ka loodud, ootame veel registrist kinnitust. Eesti Jaguari klubi peaks valmis olema hiljemalt järgmise nädala lõpuks. Kõigepealt teeme foorumi, et rahvas saaks ideid ja mõtteid vahetada ning hiljemalt augusti lõpuks valmib klubil ka esinduslik kodulehekülg.
Kohe kui klubi on loodud ja foorum üleval annan ka siin teada.
Kõik kes teavad ja tunnevad inimesi kes sooviksid Eesti Jaguari klubiga liituda andke ka neile teada, et nad siinset teemat jälgiksid. Iga klubi liige on meile ja klubile oluline.
Pidasime pikki läbirääkimisi ja lõpuks otsustasime, et anname Jaguari klubi loomise põhiõigused www.jagnet.ee loojatele ja rajajatele.
Põhiliselt just sellepärast, et nende panus Eesti jaguariliikumisse on suurim.
Seega, pöörduge: http://www.jagnet.ee/
Mhm...Inchcape tuleks nimega Inchcape siia sellist teadet edastama. Vanad peerud www.jagnet.ee-s, mis te nüüd virisete, Teil oli maa ja ilm aega seda klubi luua... Niipalju siis sellest!
Eesti Jaguari Klubi MTÜ valmis eelmisel nädalal ja tänasest on olemas ka aadress www.jaguarclub.ee Homsest saan ka foorumi valmis ja septembris valmib ka korralik kodulehekülg koos uue klubi logo ja sümboolikaga.
Kõik kes on huvitatud uue klubiga liitumisest ja informatsioonist külastage meie kodulehte aadressil www.jaguarclub.ee.
Oleme väga tänulikud kõigile kes teavitavad huvilisi Eesti Jaguari Klubi valmimisest.
Klubil on kaks omanikku mina Kristjan Kiis ja Westland Auto -st Marko Lillemets.
Meie e-posti aadressid on kristjan@jaguarclub.ee ja marko@jaguarclub.ee
Just, seal on selgelt kirjas alates 12.08.08, mis tähistab tänast kuupäeva. Ja nii saab ka olema, et kohe, kui täna foorumi valmis saan panen üles.
Natukene kannatust palun !
Mina olen jagneti looja ja ausaltöeldes ei teadnud sellest jutust siin midagi.
Inchcape Motors Estonia OÜ poolt tehtud postitusest ei tea meie midagi.
Samuti ei häiri konkureeriv foorum kuidagi, reaalsuses teeme pigem Westlandi inimestega koostööd.
Klubi pole meie siiamaani kuidagi vajalikuks pidanud, ega tunne sellest ka hetkel puudust.
loen ja imestan .Tahavad mingit klubi.siis käib mingi tõukamine omavahel. esiteks ma ei mõista mis siinsel foorumil viga? jutud saab ju räägitud. Teiseks arvan ,et kõik foorumid peax töötama põhimõttel,kui midagi ütlen siis mitte mingi "m" või "p" või rääkimatta "Inchcape motors estonia oü" nime all mis suisa registreerimatta. Ja kolmandax ,kui teemast endast siis tahax lisada niipalju,et teete klubi või mis tahes organis. ärge palun auto marki küll mõnitama hakake kui ikka Jaguar siis kohe kindlasti mitte Jaaguar ja mitte merseedes benss ega beemvee. Tänan tähelepanu eest ja tegijatele edu soovides!
